CDU-"General" Voigt und Chef-Pirat Albe im Streitgespräch (1)

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Wie kann geistiges Eigentum geschützt werden? Das war nur einer der kontroversen Punkte im TLZ-Streitgespräch zwischen CDU-Generalsekretär Mario Voigt (links) und dem Chef der Thüringer Piratenpartei, Gerald Albe. Foto: Peter Michaelis

Wie kann geistiges Eigentum geschützt werden? Das war nur einer der kontroversen Punkte im TLZ-Streitgespräch zwischen CDU-Generalsekretär Mario Voigt (links) und dem Chef der Thüringer Piratenpartei, Gerald Albe. Foto: Peter Michaelis

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Reden die Piraten einer Gratiskultur im Netz das Wort? Dieser These von CDU-Generalsekretär Mario Voigt widerspricht der Landeschef der Piratenpartei, Gerald Albe, vehement. Er sieht vielmehr bestimmte Aufgaben in der Verantwortung des Gemeinwesens, diese Aufgaben sollten durch Umverteilung finanziert werden, so Albe im Streitgespräch mit dem CDU-General.

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